Never accept the first offer…what’s with this?…who ever said the first offer wasn’t a good offer?…some of the firms that I work with are only going to make one offer and the candidate can either take it or leave it… Now if you want to ask something like “is that the very best you can do?” I can live with that, but in most instances, if you operate with the principal that you’re not going to take the first offer, you are playing games… on top of that, it’s stupid
He who brings up money first loses… I don’t know the idiot who dreamed this up, But if you follow this advice you’re a fool… (obviously, I feel fairly strongly about this… and all the other stuff too) … the discussion of money is like any other issue in the interviewing process… If you are asked, for instance, “what are you earning?” What are you going to say, “I really don’t want to discuss money?”… Right!… Stupid advice !… don’t buy it.
Everything is negotiable… We had a brand-new MBA graduate get to the offer stage from the company… they asked him what kind of compensation he had in mind. The candidate responded that he would like a salary of $150,000, a generous 401(k) plan, a car and four weeks vacation in its first year as well as a salary review in six months.” The hiring authority responded by saying, “how about $250,000 salary and an expense account, a brand-new Mercedes and a salary view in three months?” The excited candidate, with wide eyes, looked at the hiring authority and said, “are you kidding?” To which the hiring authorities said, “yeah, but you started it.”..
Okay, it’s a joke…but everything is NOT negotiable… in fact there are a very few things in the job offer that are negotiable… maybe money, once in a very long while, title, some benefits and, again, once in a while a few other things… but for goodness sake don’t believe this adage… it’s foolish… you can simply ask the hiring authority what might be negotiable… but please, don’t go in to a job offer situation thinking “everything is negotiable” you will be sorely disappointed and won’t get to first base… As well as stupid
We had a candidate sometime back who, upon getting an offer, even said to the hiring authority “well everything is negotiable, can we begin with the salary”… the hiring authority stood up and said, “it doesn’t appear that you have any common sense, I don’t think are going to proceed beyond here. Thanks for coming by.”
Candidates are trying to get the most money they can…Well, to a certain extent candidates are trying to do the best they can for themselves… but the way this is stated by most of the people that talk about it, communicates that candidates are creating an adversarial relationship with the employer, communicating the idea that the employer is trying to pay the least he can get away with to begin with, isn’t good and really isn’t going to get you the best offer.
Candidates should do the best they can to get a good compensation package, but it shouldn’t be the most important thing that the candidate should think about… money is simply part of the whole opportunity… as I have stated many times before, if you give a company good enough reason to why they ought to hire you, they will give you good enough reasons why your good work there is money… but I guarantee you if you approach the money negotiations with the idea that the company is trying to be as cheap as they can, it won’t go well…
When given an offer, tell the employer that you would like to think about it a couple of days…WRONG!… while you are “thinking about it” any employer with any sense is hiring the candidate right behind you… “thinking about it a couple of days” communicates a very indecisive, not committed, wishy-washy attitude… you have to be more decisive than this
My recommendation is that you decide and let the hiring authorities know within 24 hours… that is decisive…
Now, if you’re trying to get an offer and you’re waiting for another one to compare it to… very fortunate position to be in… you run the risk of losing the offer to someone else so, decide what you’re going to do it quickly and decisively
As promised, over the next few weeks I’m going to take each one of these idiocies that I wrote about last and explain why they are absolutely foolish…
When you are asked how much money you are making, counter that question with a question by asking “well, how much does this position pay?”… This is crazy… any employer with any brains at all is going to look at you like you’re crazy if you answer their question this way… the idea of answering a question with a question is poor judgement.. no employer in their right mind is going to respond to this positively… if you say something stupid like this and you are fortunate enough to not be thrown out of the interview, the interviewing or hiring authority is going to say “I asked you what you are presently making”… in other words, he or she wants to know what you’re making..TELL THEM… it’s really that simple… trying to be coy or cute will lead to disaster… so when asked this simple question give a simple answer… tell them what you are presently making and/or what you made in your last job… end of discussion!
When asked about how much money you are making, give a range of the money you’ve made over the last few years…The same fool who wrote the first bit of advice, probably came up with this dumb answer too… again, if you’re fortunate enough to still be in the interview without being thrown out, the interviewing or hiring authority is going to say, “aaah, I didn’t ask you the range of what you’ve been earning, I asked you to tell me exactly what you’ve been earning”
Any kind of answer to the above two questions that is not an exact, specific number is going to communicate that you don’t want to tell the interviewing her hiring authority what you are. making…that you are trying to hide your previous either poor or low pay.. I assure you that any gamesmanship like this will NOT get you hired…
Have three numbers in mind regarding the salary you will be willing to accept… a high salary, a median salary and the lowest salary you would consider…. What’s the reason for this idea? It has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of offer that you may or may not get… as if your coming up with these figures means anything to the interviewing or hiring authority… I can’t even figure out the reason anybody would give this advice… here’s the deal, the better you sell yourself the better the offer you are going to get..Don’t even consider anything like this until you actually get an offer, then you’ve got something to think about… this advice is a waste of time
Employers want to pay as little as they can get away with… that’s just not true… I’ve spoken to more than 23,000 hiring authorities in my career… finding out what they want to hire the candidate… sending them candidates… negotiating… and getting people hired… every once in a while I do run into a hiring authority that seems to be more concerned about paying as little as they can… they are more interested in the money then they are the people… but there are really very few of these kinds of folks… most people who do the hiring realize that they are going to get about what they pay for… they know that money is relative to the quality of candidate they may get… I don’t think that I’ve ever heard an employer tell me, “we’re cheap, we want to pay as little as we can to get as much as we can”…If you enter a job offer negotiation or even an interview with this adversarial attitude, you’re not gonna go very far
Over the last few weeks I’ve listened to or read over 100 video or audio recordings and articles about looking for a job, interviewing and negotiating a job offer… at least 35% to 40% of the stuff is absolute junk… in fact, it so bad that if people take the advice they will look for a job for the rest of their life and never find one… the vast, vast majority of this stuff is written by career advisers and counselors, psychologists, retired executives, gurus, and self-appointed authorities about finding a job or managing your career… I have no idea where people come up with these cockamamie ideas but here are a few of them…
I will enumerate them here and over the next week or so explaining how absolutely downright hideous or stupid they are… one thing is for sure, these people never really found anybody a job… since we have free speech in this country, they are entitled to tell you this stuff… but you don’t have to believe it… and you shouldn’t…here they are:
When you are asked how much money you are making, counter that question with a question by asking “well, how much does this position pay?”
When asked about how much money you are making, give a range of the money you’ve made over the last few years.
Have three numbers in mind regarding the salary you will be willing to accept… a high salary, a median salary and the lowest salary you would consider.
Employers want to pay as little as they can get away with
Candidates always want the most money they can get
When given an offer, tell people you’d like to go home and think about it for a couple of days
Never accept the first offer
He who brings up money first loses
Everything is negotiable
Employers always have room to negotiate
Employers always start to offer you a job at the lowest money they can get away with
Never take responsibility for saying “no”… blame your reason for saying no on someone else you have consulted
Always ask for more money than you want
When interviewing, mirror the interviewing authority
When you go into the interview… keep breathing (… seriously, that is exactly what an interview counselor recommended)
Tell the interviewing authority that you need more money because… and then state the reason why you need more money
When negotiating a salary always wince at the first offer
In an interview, don’t tell people you are looking for a job…but simply exchanging information to see if there is mutual interest either now or in the future.
Remember, when it comes time for them to make an offer, they really, really want you and so you’re in the driver’s seat
Target the top 10 companies you would like to go to work for and focus everything you can to get an interview with them
Beginning next week I will discuss these insane statements in detail…